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 does that, if he even hints at it, is a very poor politician.

 I had experience there working with and getting things through the legislature,
 and that gave me my real opportunity to put my training at Columbia University to
 work. Then at Florida I had the same opportunity. After I came here, I started
 doing consulting work. I have done consulting for more than half the states in
 the nation, including the northern states. I have done consulting in New York
 state, Ohio, and various other states.

 They did not offer professorships at the time. During the Depression, you could
 not get a job. You did not get a salary. One time during the Depression, I went
 the whole year without a salary and was later paid off in script. That was when I
 went down to Montgomery to work with the assistant state superintendent of
 education. Auburn had not paid me. They later paid me in script, but I had to
 discount that script. Then it came to where you could not get a job. Then after
 I got to the University of Florida, I had five different jobs offered to me. I have
 been offered a job at Columbia University Teachers College. They got mad
 because I turned them down. Then much later, when I was fifty-five years of
 age, Stanford University offered me a job.

C: They were trying to lure you away.

J: They were trying to lure me away from Florida. When I came here, I was
 forty-six. I was born in December 1900, practically 1901. Well, I asked them if
 they knew know how old I was. Usually universities do not want to hire older
 professors. They said, Yes, we know exactly how old you are. You are fifty-five
 years of age. But we want to buy you and your reputation. You just name your
 salary." I did not want to pick up and move my family at that time. My children
 were in college and so on, and I liked it here in Florida. New York University
 tried to get me to come several times, as did Chicago University, Peabody, so
 on. After you get established in the field, you get just a plethora, an avalanche
 of offers. But I remember times back there when we were not getting paid.
 Nobody was hiring anybody. It was hard to get a job.

C: Even for the top people?

J: Yes.

C: Going back to the 1947 survey, can you remember what the conditions were in
 Alachua County when you went and visited the school plants?

J: Well, the buildings were pretty run down. I think that since that time, practically
 every building in this county has been replaced. Some of them have been
 remodeled into something else, like Kirby Smith and over there at [A. Quinn]