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C: He was a dentist from Gainesville.

J: He was a dentist. I mean, if a board member was particularly noisy or
 combative, I would have remembered him, but I do not remember him as being
 any more than just another board member. Was Howard Bishop
 superintendent?

C: Howard Bishop was superintendent at that time.

J: Then I started teaching at the University of Florida, and Howard Bishop took
 courses with me.

C: You directed his thesis.

J: Yes. Then I conducted conferences for years with the superintendents. We
 would have these conferences regularly, so many each semester. A great many
 of the superintendents, some of whom were not even college graduates in the
 state in 1947, wanted to continue their educations, to do advanced work. So I
 had graduate courses for them. They would come in for a conference, and then
 they would write papers, studies, and so on for me. Eventually they discovered
 a notion of the sophistication of the superintendent's [duties and responsibilities].
 Dr. Morphet, of course, assisted me with these superintendent conferences, and
 Dr. Leps with others.

 Then, when we had developed the Foundation Program, we had to sell that to
 the superintendents to get them behind it before it was passed in legislature.
 Well, we had gotten an agreement on capital outlay, and Dr. Morphet was
 explaining capital outlay to the superintendents. He kept using the word "capital
 outlay." He spent about an hour explaining the technical phases of it and so
 one, how it was allocated and various things. Then he asked if anybody had any
 questions or remarks about this. I am not going to give the name of the
 superintendent, but one of the superintendents got up and said, "Dr. Morphet,
 that is all very good, this capital outlay that you have been talking about. But is
 there any money that we are going to get for school buildings?" [Laughter.] He
 did not know that capital outlay meant school buildings.

C: So you trained a whole generation of Florida superintendents all at once.

J: Yes, I trained a whole generation of them. A number of them got doctorate
 degrees. Floyd Christian was down in Pinellas County, and he later became a
 state superintendent [of public instruction]. I had him write for his master's
 thesis an evaluation of the school board policies of Pinellas County. It was a
 very good master's thesis on school board policies in Pinellas.