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 said I would come down here for $6,500 and perform that double mission. I was
 not teaching at the University for a while while I was working with the Citizens
 Committee.

C: It sure was an awfully high salary for a university professor in Florida at that time.

J: It was the highest salary that was paid at the University at that time. [University
 of Florida President John J.] Tigert said, "We cannot pay that high a salary upon
 our scale." Well, Colin English said, "I will pay $600 of it, and he will serve as a
 consultant to the state Department of Education." They continued to pay me
 that $600 a year until I retired. They wanted to raise it, but I never let them raise
 it because the University would deduct it from my University salary.

 Anyway, then I started in working with them intensively when it came to the
 development of that plan. We made local studies. First they wanted to me to
 go out and see what was necessary in the counties. We made a study in a
 number of counties.

C: Did you have a staff to help you with that?

J: Well, we had secretaries, and we had staff from the state Department of
 Education. I even had someone from the University of Florida--Dr. [Joseph
 McElroy] Leps was on the staff [in the College of Education] here. I also had
 some staff help, and I had plenty of secretarial help and clerical help. In fact, we
 even used some students that were here. Anyway, I had very pleasant
 associations with them. They came out with an extremely statesmanlike report.

 After we got it through the legislature, from time to time I have served as
 consultant to the state Department of Education on various matters and studies.
 For instance, I worked with them on developing the formula for transportation,
 [which included an] index of the extra cost of education due to sparsity and
 various things of that nature.

 As far as Alachua County is concerned, my influence on Alachua County has
 been on a statewide basis. We did write the studies here. I participated in the
 studies of the consolidation of schools. Then we required that before any state
 money was spent on school buildings it had to be spent on projects that were
 approved by the state Department of Education on the basis of a survey. And I
 was in charge of those surveys.

 Here is an interesting thing. Colin English was afraid that this would politically
 affect him. He did not want them to make the surveys because the county's
 work would be controversial, so I agreed to make the surveys and direct the
 surveys in all the counties so it would not put the heat on Colin English. He was