NVCR 2 Page 9 means of tax money, then we have freedom of religion. H: Historians who have written about the TFCG comment on the respectability of the organization and their restraint, especially as compared to other segregationist organizations. Would you agree with that evaluation? K: Who says this? H: Historians who have written about the TFCG. K: Yeah, that's correct. The temptation in having such a group anywhere is to excite the masses, rabble-rouse, in other words, and the Tennessee Federation for Constitutional Government avoided that approach. We kept the discussion at an adult level, informed adult level. Yes, I think that's a correct analysis. H: What was the relationship of the Tennessee Federation for Constitutional Government with the south-wide Federation for Constitutional Government? K: I know of no south-wide Federation to amount to anything. H: This was the group that there was a meeting in Memphis in 1956. K: That's right. Yes, and there was a strong federation, I believe, in Louisiana. It was part- and-parcel and guided by the same objectives. Whether they were successful in their local activities or not, I don't know, but the Tennessee Federation for Constitutional Government was [sympathetic with] that group. In fact, the south-wide [Federation]'s aims was consistent with Tennessee, but there were other groups that were sprouting up all over the South that we didn't know anything about much. H: Are there any examples you recall? K: Well, the Citizens' Councils in Mississippi was certainly a Mississippi phenomenon, and they were very active in Alabama too, but generally we were able to cooperate with the Citizens' Councils. Citizens' Councils were very well- administered. I suppose that feelings ran higher the further south you got, that was an element of course, but the Citizens' Council published a paper. They were led by a very well-informed man and the movement was quite to be recommended. H: So why, in an attitude of cooperation with the Citizen's Councils, did you not have direct affiliation? K: Oh there was, there was cooperation between the [two].