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 deranged. There were various things we called attention to, but then when I
 finished that presentation from the human relations council I said while I'm here I
 happen also to President of the Richmond Area Reading Association and we are
 concerned as to why the state doesn't give more attention to reading since it's
 such an important part of the curriculum. We don't even have a supervisor of
 reading in the state department. We had language arts and they all said that
 reading was part of language arts, but we needed attention to reading itself. So,
 he stopped the hearing and in essence stopped, and therefore all of the cameras
 were on me. He stopped to talk with me about five minutes. What do you mean
 the state isn't supporting reading?

W: He was sympathetic.

S: He was sympathetic, yes. I was explaining to him that the Council on Reading in
 Richmond had a conference each year but we could do so much more with
 reading if we had support from the state. Then, he asked questions about the
 other reports from Human Relations. So, he thanked me and I went on to
 Virginia Union where I was working. The next morning I got a call from the
 governor's office, from the Secretary of Education. The governor's office asked
 me to send a copy of my presentation to each of the secretaries in his cabinet.
 I'm saying you don't tell me that one person cannot make a difference. I did and
 I was just all excited. I got it together and I sent it them. Well, the next thing I
 knew he decided he was going to have a statewide reading conference and he
 wanted me to chair it.

W: That's a result.

[Laughing.]

S: But the other thing he did with this information about the people in institutions,
 they just got busy and closed down most of them. I always say when I look at
 people who are homeless, I'm sorry. They just put these people right on out on
 the street. He's just a good person and I think he was trying to help, but after
 that it looked like homelessness just took off. So you think you're doing good
 and you do something wrong because they didn't have an intervening variable,
 they didn't have an intermediate half-way house. There, all of a sudden, you're
 walking across and they would come out and I would say I'm sorry. I feel
 responsible for homelessness.

W: We should start wrapping up now. I'm wondering if I could just ask you to
 conclude by characterizing the sort of work that the Council on Human Relations
 did, and try to just summarize its achievements during your time being actively
 involved and of course as president.