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 I've been looking at. Tell me who he was. Do you remember?

S: At that time the group had been fighting to get a Human Relations Commission
 in the city. Ted was the first head of the Human Relations Commission, but they
 finally gave us the Human Relations Commission but they had no power. They
 had no more power than we did because we had recognized we were working on
 these various things but we had no power to deal with them, so we wanted a
 commission. They gave us a commission; the city formed the commission.
 Casad Alamean, whose name you must hear all over the place, was at one time
 head of that commission; but they would not give them subpoena power.
 Therefore, they could not call anybody to task or act on whatever they were
 signing. That's the same thing we were doing, walking around dealing with
 whole list of things they started to write down. They were monitoring the media
 for the fairness, forming the Media Relations Commission, challenging the
 licenses of seventeen radio and television stations in the city based on
 discrimination and hiring practices. I learned a lot from Ted because he said do
 your homework, you don't go forth. Whatever we did we had done the
 homework first. I always believe that you could bring the Rocky Mountains to the
 east coast if everybody would pick up a brick. I've always worked with that idea.
 So you do this little piece and I'll do that little piece and we can all move
 together. So they looked at each of the stations and we had papers that showed
 how many blacks were on cameras, dramatists, maids, secretaries; [it was] zero
 all the way across. WRVA and WTVR which was Channel 6, that's the only one
 that had growth rates all the way across the whole page. I think looking at those
 charts is very impressive. Somebody may have had one janitor who worked half
 a day or something like that, but we've got no blacks on camera, no blacks
 behind the camera. We had talked about that in Media Relations and said what
 we needed to do was train blacks to run the cameras and so forth. This kind of
 moved into the Media Relations Commission. It was going to be a long hall, but
 we were meeting and we were working and they were getting representatives
 from the media to come. All of a sudden somebody got tired and they just
 moved the whole thing along.

W: It was a long process. There were petitions, counter-petitions, more petitions; I
 mean it dragged on and on and on.

S: No, I don't know. What's the group you mentioned?

W: The Black Broadcasting Coalition.

S: Right, BBC. Ours didn't take long because by the time we moved in Richmond
 we looked at the applications. The stations had to send applications to the ...


W: FCC, to the Federal Communications Commission.