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 by myself. People were getting on the bus and coming over here and still going
 to __ They had to go to and when they got off the bus they saw me
 right here. Four policemen and four police dogs monitored me while I walked
 around __ over there. They kept telling these people over here they needed
 to go to South Richmond and do that, but they were so busy going downtown
 that they didn't listen; but when they got off the bus and saw me they got back on
 the bus and went back home. Anyhow, those were just things that very few
 people know about.

W: I was just thinking about perhaps that's one of the functions that the Human
 Relations Council played was actually keeping a dialogue going.

S: We had some of the most wonderful people who worked together.

W: Tell me about some of the characters there.

S: There was Wally Bliss who was president when I went in. That's why I wanted
 to know if this half inebriated person who's in the state council, was he just
 before Curtis Harris?

W: No, there are a few people. I think Frank Adams is immediately before him.

S: I have been trying to think of Frank. Frank was the person in the state office.

W: Okay, he's immediately before Curtis.

S: [He was there] when I went into the council. They had just integrated John
 Marshall Hotel. This girl I mentioned whose name is Lorraine James. I
 remember when they told me they had been down to the John Marshall and
 tried to make arrangements for a convention, a Human Relations Conventional
 Conference. She was one of the persons that said well would you like to find
 100 Negroes lying in your lobby? I think they decided they'd rather not have that,
 and they opened that facility to this conference. Now, I don't know how I got in
 the organization and got to be vice-president. I don't remember being in the
 organization. I went in and Wally was president and I was working with him, and
 I got to be vice-president. By the time they said they had to plan this conference,
 so as vice-president I did the planning of the conference. When we got through
 with that, and it was great. Then, when I went into office as president we carried
 the organization which had brought the whole community together with
 workshops and so forth on certain topics. That's when Hilga was on. You had
 the group that was doing civic affairs, somebody was doing legal affairs, and
 somebody was doing community affairs which led to that thing you asked about
 media relations.