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 SHonourable W. A. Iadley : I don't think itis undesirable. Some people seem
 S to think, that it is a very harsh Bill; it may be. harsh, but I can't see anything'
.. against it as long as it is carried out in the best way. Surely if a planter does not
 -cultivate his lands properly.he has to be made to do something about it, arid I
 -personally can't see anything against the Bill.
 President- I think I should give a brief-explanation. Shortly after I came
 -here, I was approached by the Superintendent of Agriculture with a report that
 some'people were refusing to carry out conservation measures and look after their
 soil properly, and they particularly hindered the work of his Department. In the
 .first instance I obtained a copy of the_Kenya Land and Water Ordinance which
 was a very harsh Bill indeed and I got the Crown Attorney to put up a draft. Later
 on, however,, in consultation with the Crov~n Attorney this bill was drafted from
 the British Model.
 H. nourable Member for Kingstown: I personally -do not consider it
 oppressive, and I agree that if the owner o0'the land does hot carry out- the
 necessary measures, then the Agriclltural Department would ceme in and do it.
 S t is time that we learn: There seems to be quite a. lot of criticism of the bill in-
 Sthe papers by people-who do not know what itis all aboi~t. We must teach people
 the manner in 'ich to plant. I see nothing harsh about it. We must be careful
 to appoint people who ~ill See it properly carried out.
... Clause 2-Interpretation.
 .. Question put and agreed to.
 SClause 3-Duties of good estate management and good husbandry.
 Question put arid agreed to.
 Claudd 4-Good estate management. _
 Question put and agreed-to..
 Clause 5-Power of Superintendent of Agriculture to supervise management and
 farming.
 Honourable Member for South Windward This is the one that satisfies me.
 Without that the whole thing falls to the ground. -I was really looking for it. I
 wondered whether it was possible for \the Agricultural Superintendent to- effect
 any spite, but there is no room for anything like that; Could the occupier of the
 S, land apply to any court?
 .- Honourable E. A. C. Hughes: No.
 Honourable Member for South Windward: Will the Court hold any appeal
 against the supervision order?.
 Honourable, E. A. C. Hughes : The appeal lies to the Committee.
 Honourable Member -for Kingstown : I agree, but that Committee might be
 lenient. *
 S HopourAble E. A C. Hughes : VWhat happens if there is a further appeal? I.
 S propose to throw.out for consideration, that there should be a Central Committee
 to hear appeals-from the Area Committees. .
 SHoaourable Crown Attorney: The Governor in Council would not be .the
 person to decide. The Goverhor in Council does not consider itself an appropriate
 body to do so, therefore they appoint a committee to go into the matter and make
 r_ ecoaxmendations. -