307 Bertonio (1603b:305) said Some Indians say that pta and ta are not distinguished on nouns but rather mean the same thing. This implies that the two were in free variation in 17th century Juli, but Bertonio does not indicate whether they both occurred on verbs. *_pta- as verbal derivational has been cited in two published sources (see 6-2.16) but has not occurred in the spoken data investigated for this study. Since -ta- usually does not verbalize and -pta- usually is not a verbal derivational, it has been decided to treat ~pta- as the verbalizer and -ta- as the verbal derivational, recognizing that they overlap but seem to be diverging. The combination -pta- verbalizer plus -jfia nominalizer implies a human subject in the following examples from La Paz/Tiahuanaco: k'umara.pta.fia 'to become healthy’ k'umara_ ‘healthy' quligi.ni.pta.fia ‘to progress, to become rich' quligi.ni ‘one who has money' Liamp'u.pta.fia ‘to humble oneself, repent, change character' Llamp'u = 'clear' If a verb stem does not permit a human subject (because of Aymara semantic constraints), a noun plus the