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P: But she was being, as I have determined, advised by people like Mac
 Stipanovich and other individuals, and as Mac told me, he said, my objective was
 to bring home the election with George Bush at the wheel.

M: Sure.

P: So, he was advising her. Now, at this point, and jumping ahead a little bit from
 your particular responsibilities, the Florida Supreme Court will overturn Judge
 Lewis. They are going to vote 7-0 to extend the time to get these votes in until
 November 26. What immediately becomes an issue there is that by changing the
 date, did they change the rules after the game? Did they, in fact, make law as
 oppose to interpret law? What was your reaction to that decision?

M: Well, now that decision came down after we had concluded.

P: You were finished, yes.

M: I don't think I had any strong opinions one way or the other because all the
 litigation that was going on had nothing to do with us because we did conclude
 our recount within the seven day period. My reaction was, well, here we have a
 contradictory statute and also we have actions taken by the secretary of state,
 herself, which tended to delay recount in some of the other counties. Should the
 people who voted in those counties be disenfranchised because of actions taken
 by the secretary of state? To the extent I had a reaction, it was along those lines.

P: In fact, they were rather harsh with her because what they thought had happened
 here was the right to vote had been nullified. These people had voted but their
 votes would not get counted simply because of the hypertechnical view of the
 statutes. Because she could have allowed, at the very least, until November 17,
 when the overseas ballots were due. The totals couldn't be formally certified until
 then anyway.

M: That's right.

P: So, they looked at her, and the reason they picked November 26, and I talked to
 Justice Harding about this, is they figured that she had delayed the count by five
 days or so by erroneous interpretation of the law, so they added five days. They
 said they were interpreting the statute, and perhaps, as Justice Harding said, we
 were trying to fashion a remedy. Maybe that was a bad term, "to fashion a
 remedy", it sounds like they're making up law, but they claimed they interpreted
 law. Would you agree with that explanation?

M: You know, the Supreme Court of Florida was presented with a really impossible
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