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 Tape B


 M: which is not being offered. So bureaucracy hasn't changed in the university

 at all over the past time. They still do dumb things.

 J: But once you petitioned was it fairly easy, as it is today, to get things

 changed?

 M: I don't know.

 J: Or maybe that's an assumption that it's easy today.

 M: I don't know whether it's any ea.... more difficult or any.... ya know it's

 it's.... You petition and you you uh.... I don't ...... think that)um ....
 0j
 It was probably y,9 know..... where there were less people and everybody was

 was sort of aware of what your problems were. I mean people didn't get

 into problems. Y knowyou could straighten a guy out before he got into

 trouble.

 J: Were there counselors to help you with decisions?

 M: Uh.... everybody..... tou knew everybody y....

 J: I mean academic counselors.

 M: Yeah. Everybody on the faculty was was somebody.... was doing academic counseling.

 J: Ohyj I 5 $St

 M: I mean it wasn't a case..... I don't think that it was formalized in that

 sense except that somebody caught the duty every semester to perform the

 duties or sitting at the desk in the office and doing registration. Yafnow

 taking guys as they come through and tr '( registration ,A \crs

ro c- vCO. As far as petitions, I don't recall avjeWmegX major problem

 with it.

 J: Did you participate in intramurals?

 M: Only mildly. Uh.... I think my only participation in intramurals was ..... uh...

 one time I was.... that somebody caught me and said "Hey, come out