AL 32AB -39- Tape B M: you face the stage. J: Mmm hmm. M: It was just a little booth with a glass window in the thing and all these dials and controls and microphone out there across the front of the stage. J: Now you were here when Joh igert was president and also Ci4e eame was head of the business office. Did you know either one of them or have any experiences with either of them? M: Well uh..... yeah, I had occasions to speak to Dr. Tigert. You you spoke to -7 Dr. Tigert yi know he was on the campus and you there weren't that many of us and he was in his office in Tigert Hall and he was just li...... you were just liable to encounter him crossing the Plaza of the Americas or ...... whether yoarse-going there or somebody's office or wandering across there. So you spoke to him. You didn't know him...... asas a person. Uh the interesting thing is thatlum..... my father-in-law, who was in education, thought very hightly.of Tigert and as a matter of fact /1 / had..... I guess was taking lots of education courses here in the summer time and had been taking a graduate course and had attended uh Sunday school classes with Dr. Tigert and knew Tigert and I guess has uh..... somewhere over there in the files is a letter of recommendation for Dr. Tigert and my father-in-law was applying for the principalship at another place. J: What was your father-in-law's name? M: Saunders. He was principal.... f was /upervising Prin..... supervisingg principlee in Deland and went from there to Miami Beach __ J: So you never really um had anything personal, any kind of a personal meeting with Tigert. M: No. No. I had a conversation with -Cl-i-4r-a-hm one time and I can't even