AL 29AB -22-

 Tape A


M: Uh I don't know about my whole class. Most of us it was the second year. Uh

 the propaganda was out and besides that we..... we had one year to shake
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 out some of the problems. Um.... this was yA know Hutchinson's, University
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 of Chicago, President who was.ayA-knowI tih young guy who was /resident of

 the University of Chicago and it was an innovative idea in education and it

 sort of fit *with my preconceived notion of what an education should be. That

 is, you were supposed to be educated. Y weren't going to the university to

 be trained for something, although I was going into engineering which meant

 I was going into a professional field which has a concept of training. But

 you went to the university to be educated, to know about music and art and

 literature and uh..... science if you were bent in that direction, physics and

 chemistryjuh mathematics. You were an educated man as distinguished from....

 And you didn't necessarily do this uh because you could uh..... uh you could

 earn a living uh...... differentiating equations or doing something...... Ya

 know you did this because you wanted to know. The : *-,AMMe concept

 was you wanted to be educated because you wanted to know. It was a personal

 thing. Uhthere was a lot of words then aboutlyes, we are having a lot of

 people that could go through and say take uh.... plus-add and avoid the

 cultural aspects of the universtiy in it4s entirety)and so there was a

 great deal of criticism, I guess through the/20s, that we were.... the

 universities were turning out, particularly state universities, were turning

 out uh..... degree cloeOs. I mean they had a degree but if you said Helen

 of Troy they would sayl "hat? Troy, New York?" y4 know.

J: Mmm hmmm.

M: They wouldn't know what you were talking about. They had no concept of what....

 of what we call a classical arts,um, liberal arts education. And it was a