before Turner. Henry Truner was here a long time and Henry and I were
 always on very good terms, but the oldest one that I remember, this is
 going back almost to 1900, is old man Jack Goodwin. He was quite a
 character.

M: Mr. Turner didn't come until '34.

S: Henry Turner was there for many years. 'He was a very fine agent.

M: You mentioned that you could look out and see the railroad. Where exactly
 was your business?

S: The Diamond Ice Company, the first ice factory, was where the First National
 Bank is now. I used one of their buildings in my wholesale business after
 they had closed up this factory and moved out on the Seaboard. The Diamond
 Ice Company, the last factory, the one that burned, was down where the
 Atlantic Ice Company is now. It's at the foot of Third Street, where Third
 Street crosses Depot. That was right where Denny Concrete is.

M: What about the grocery business and the hardware warehouses?

S: The grocery business was where the First National Bank is. We moved over
 to where the Trailways Bus Station is. That was the old T & J Railroad Depot.
 We bought that from the Coastline, and when we quit the grocery business and
 separated the three businesses, we moved the building materials over to the
 old T & J Depot, until we built down where it is now.

 Remember, back in those days, there weren't a dozen houses west of the T & J
 Railroad, where the Coastline is now, so everybody lived within eight or ten
 blocks of the Courthouse Square. All business was centered around the Court-
 house. The wholesale and industrial-type business were usually along the
 railroad somewhere, in that area. For instance, Eighth Avenue, on the north,
 was the extreme outer limits of downtown, and out around Ninth Street was the
 extreme limits going east. The T & J Railroad was about the extreme limits
 going west. But they were building out this way fast; building it fast. There
 was practically nothing south of the Seaboard Railroad but a swamp down in there.
 So everybody walked to town.

 That was the beginning of the moving pictures. We had two or three little
 moving picture theatres around town. We had live road shows at that time in
 the Baird Theatre, and we had baseball games in what they call the Oak Hall
 baseball field. It's down west of Main Street and south of Mrs. Lou Lynch's
 place, and just north of the Diamond Ice Company. That was the baseball field.
 I remember the first U.niversity football game that I ever saV. They played
 the College of Charleston and they marked the football field in the outfiled
 of the baseball park. They marked the football field off and erected the goal
 posts out of some two-by-fours, with a cross-bar, and that was the first Univer-
 sity game I ever saw in 1911.

 In the morning, you could look out and see the men going down to work. Then,
 maybe they would walk home to lunch, and then walk back to work. A lot of them
 would close their business for lunch. I used to close mine and go home for
 lunch. Occasionally we used to have a city band. Dr. [Gordon B.] Tyson, I
 remember he was identified with the city band. We had a bandstand on the Court-
 house Square. We would have concerts. Sometimes, when the football team was