RE: It wasn't long. It must have been shortly after the end of Governor Cone's administration. I think Bill Reid went out as Director and Colonel Kirkman come in but I'm not quite sure about the dates on that. RG: They went to Governor Cone to start with. They wanted it to be the Governor and the Cabinet as the Executive Board and he changed it to what? RE: We wrote it originally that way in the bill for the Governor and the State Cabinet to be the Executive Board. Governor Cone said he was going to veto it if we left it that way, in fact, he never did sign it. He said he was going to veto it unless they changed the Executive Board from the State Cabinet to the Governor and the Chairman of the State Road Department Board and the Legislature made the change to satisfy the Governor and he let it become law. RG: Okay, so there was only two people then? RE: That's true, that's the way we operated. However, as soon as Governor Cone's administration was over, the Legislature made the State Cabinet the Executive Board of the Department of Public Safety. RG: Back to the Governor and the Cabinet? 10