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 together--doing planning. We did a lot of interdisciplinary teaming and

 interdisciplinary kinds of units and those take a lot of time to plan."

Jean: Sure do.

Diedeman: "Until you get the hang of it. Of course we were brand new at it.

 We had an opportunity to go up to Baltimore and look at some middle schools

 up there, one of them was supposed to be ideal, both of them in Columbia,

 Miaryland. Uh one of em was, what was supposed to be ideal and one middle

 school in name but a lot of it had not changed."

Jean: You mentioned about Dayton, why Dayton, was there a special place at Dayton?

Diedeman: "Yes, there was a fellow Billy Reeves who had been, I think in Sarasota

 County, who had somehow gotten involved in Kettering Foundation. They had

 developed an elementary model for uh utilizing teaming aspect and some other

 things that they wanted to do. And really what we did, we sent up for a

 workshop, a three week clinical workshop, where we ate, slept and dreamed

 it. And uh they had a program that they had, I think they started at, with

 78 outcomes that you should try to achieve in developing the kind of

 program we were talking about. But while we were up there, the ten of us,

 plus the ones from some other states and I think there were seven or eight

 states represented in that workshop. Uh really what we did adapted an

elementary model to the middle school age child. We wound up with 30, we

 condensed those 78 outcomes into 35. And uh put em, they had a couple

 of schools there that we worked in where we could actually do what we

 said we needed to do and try it out on kids during that summer. There

 were a couple of schools that had uh volunteered to let us uh have kids

 dome, I don't know what incentive they gave to have kids come in the

 summertime, but I guess it must have been somn."

Jean: Now you were up there for how long?