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 adequate data (Tn! >exist. Thesetwo things I think were most important, one that

 it be done locally and secondly that we emphasize the factual development of it. I

 think thirdly that the state was taking an active role would be another important

 part of the concept. If there had not been an active state role then you probably

 Cwoldnt ) have been able to do the first two things nearly as well. So the coordination

 from the state level and then subsequently the relationship that they were able to

 develop in terms of relationship particularly to the university system and also to

 the local school systems was facilitated by the fact that there was a state leader-

 ship role to be played.

A: Did the junior colleges have a credibility problem as institutions of higher education?

J: Certainly, I Q t think there's any question about that. In some instances the

 credibility problem was of short duration and in other instances it may have been of

 longer duration. Two particular areas I think and this has been true of community

 college or junior college development all over the country V One of the group of people

 you have to convince is high school teachers and high school counselors that it'

 a good place for students to go to. As a matter of fact I remember in the case

 of my own son graduating from the local high school here, Gainesville High School,

 jlbS we had already talked about what he was going to do and he had agreed with me

 that he ought to go Santa Fe Community College. I was enthusiastic about it and

 so was heVfortunately there was no disagreement on our part at least that that was a

 good place for him to continue his work. In any case however, the newspaper came out

 several weeks after we had discussed this and it had a list of all the students

 graduating from high school and those that were going to the University of Florida
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 were f'ororor 8 paragraphs and those going to Santa Fe wereci paragraphs and those

 going to the up east colleges were another torr4 paragraphs, and those going to

 Georgia Tech were P paragraph you know and scattered all around and I looked at the

 article and I said something to Carl about this and he said, "Well Dad eFiJ-s` going

 to happen next fall?" and I said most of those people will be going to Santa Fe