HFE 12 A 3 sj S: Well I think the conditions of education, generally. The philosophy changed somewhat, and some of the, as we, as more and more men came into the teaching profession, I think there was more of a demand for more militant action. Uh, course Ed had served for twenty years, a bit more than twenty, I guess, and he had reached) I believe, sixty-five, and so he, he retired, at.his I think his, pretty close to his sixty-fifth birthday. But I think the board, the F.E.A. board was, was conscious, and they knew Phil. Phil was f past president of the F.E.A., they knew his philosophy. I suppose Phil was one of the youngest presidents that we ever had, but they, they knew pretty well what they wanted. They, they gave consideration to other people, they advertised the position pretty widely, and they interviewed a good many people, but I think from the beginning, they had more or less made the, the board's, many members of the board had in mind that Phil had the right philosophy that they were looking for. W: Is this correct, what Ed Henderson says, that the board changed the by-laws so that the organization had a different emphasis from one of general education and concerns about education to one of particular concerns about the needs of teachers, and further changed the by-laws so that Ed, that Phil Constans could not sit as a member of the board, but was an employee only? Do you remember any...? S: The by-laws were changed, and I'm not so sure about the first part, my recollections not too good about that, but about that time, I don't know whether it was before Ed retired or right after he retired, the by-laws were changed where the executive secretary