R: No, not even remotely. We do have some laboratory fees which help a little bit, but,
 Sam, it is peanuts. Those programs are dreadfully expensive. But the need for those
 kinds of people is [great].

P: I was going to leave this for a little later on, but maybe this is the time to ask. You
 indicated that this is really not a David and Goliath operation in Gainesville between
 Santa Fe and the University of Florida, which is the image that one might get.

R: Oh, no. You see, that comes from people who really do not have any understanding
 of education. I say again that I would be hard pressed to think of anything negative
 [respecting cooperation between the two institutions].

P: Except the possibility of this nursing program.

R: Yes. That was unfortunate, not so much for the students as for our faculty. It made
 it very hard for our faculty to go and earn an M.S. in nursing. Take Santa Fe
 faculty, [there is] no doubt in my mind that we had a more sophisticated faculty than
 the typical community college because of the opportunity to hire University
 graduates.

 Plus, more than once, [Robert A.] Bob Bryan [University of Florida provost and vice
 president for Academic Affairs] would call me up and say, "Alan, we are recruiting.
 And there is a marvelous team of professionals [who will apply]. They will be in
 town next week, would you like to talk to the male or female," whichever it was. We
 did get good people that way.

 Sometimes we may not have had a full-time position, but at least the partner would
 know that he or she could do something related to their professional skill. The other
 thing too is, we had Ph.D.s [on our faculty]. [It is] not so easy for a community
 college in a small town to attract a Ph.D., but the whole ambience of the Gainesville
 situation [makes this possible].

 And then, the same way with students. We had a very high percentage of out of the
 district students. It started out, I think, by accident, but as our reputation built, as
 the kids who came to us enjoyed it, they would go back home to Sarasota and say,
 "Boy, I am going to a great school. When I am finished, I am going to go to the
 University." So that spread. That made us a little more sophisticated in terms of
 our student body, in terms of what we could offer and what we could do.

P: Is it not also true that sometimes parents encourage their kids to go to Gainesville
 to Santa Fe, [when] they could not get into the University of Florida, but [if asked]
 "Where is your son?" they could answer, "He is going to school in Gainesville."
 Implying [the presence of the University].

R: I think there was some of that in the beginning.

P: Ego.

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