P: Do you have a permanent collection?

R: We do have a small permanent collection. It is not a valuable collection. We have
 some things that people have given us which are nice, but there is nothing like the
 kind of art that the Ham has.

P: To see it though, you have to go into the library.

R: Yes. And go up to the second floor and go into the gallery.

P: Is it open when the library is open?

R: It is probably kind of like ten to four on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday.

P: Did you have to hire a curator?

R: We did, we had Barbara Ebersol for years, and then after she died, [her husband]
 Bob Ebersol [took over]. Then, after Bob left, Carrie Ebersol was the curator. We
 had all the Ebersols.

P: Who was Carrie?

R: She was their daughter. She is gone now, since we moved away from bringing in
 visiting collections.

P: Where did Carrie go?

R: She went to Guam, as a matter of fact, to some sort of a government job.

P: So there is nobody in charge there now that Carrie is gone?

R: I think somebody from the faculty is taking care of it.

P: When do you begin a program of athletics and acquire a gymnasium and athletic
 fields?

R: The gym came very late for us, because that was not a big priority. We did not have
 any facilities for athletics. We bought the twenty-five acres and put in a baseball
 field, a softball field, and a track.

P: No tennis courts?

R: Yes. We put tennis courts in when we built the gym. The gym and the tennis courts
 came first.

P: Any swimming pool?


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