P: Bob Saunders.

R: He thought we were just simply bailing out the Farm Bureau. No. We said that is
 the last thing we were interested in doing. So he backed off his opposition, and we
 acquired that building. Of course, it served us marvelously well, and we sold it for
 more than we paid for it.

P: So you had Buchholz, you had the Thomas Center, you had this facility, and you had
 that warehouse. So there were four campuses.

R: There might have been five when we finally moved. There was the warehouse, and
 I guess there was maybe Lincoln still, and Buchholz, and the Thomas, and the Farm
 Bureau.

P: I forgot to mention Lincoln. Now, get back to [Joe] Fordyce leaving and you coming
 in. The Board decides on you.

R: Yes.

P: And they recommend you.

R: To the state Junior College Board, which then went to the state Board of Education.

P: And then to the governor.

R: Yes. I think the state Board of Education was the last.

P: Okay. You need to be appointed.

R: Floyd [T.] Christian was the commissioner of education. He had known me and I
 knew him.

P: He was on the state Board of Education, which was made up of the governor and
 members of the cabinet.

R: Yes. So he recommended the appointment, and I became president of Santa Fe.

P: One thing we have not brought into this is this state Board of Education. You told
 me that there was no state agency [involved].

R: There was then. But not after the 1970 legislation.

P: So up until that time, it was the state Board of Education which was the final
 authority in Tallahassee. That is no longer true today?

R: Well, I guess it is. I guess in the end, the state Board of Education [was] probably
 [the ultimate authority].

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