Now whether or not Joe said, "I will talk to Alan," or whether Jim said, "Talk to
 Alan," I do not know.

P: He had not yet appointed an assistant or anything?

R: No.

P: This came shortly after you have resigned from the board?

R: About a year later. When he had just been elected to this office.

P: I am just trying to get the chronology squared away here.

R: Jim said to me, "Look, you know you have a great interest in community college, you
 know what we are tying to do, you know that it is the outreach to help everybody,
 it is just natural for you to become involved now, fully. You have been involved
 twice as a volunteer. This is what you ought to be doing."

P: So he is advising you to leave your job at the University.

R: Yes. He is encouraging me to make the move.

P: And Fordyce is pushing you too.

R: Well, I go home and talk to Mary, and she looks at me like I have rocks in my head.
 You know, I am going to leave this very fine and very good position at the University
 of Florida.

P: And you are a dean.

R: Yes. And, you know, we are going to travel around the state and meet and talk with
 significant people. [As an] important part of the university, [I] have lots of friends
 there, I gain benefits and contributions, not the least of which is going to the
 president's box for the football games.

P: All the good things that you should not jeopardize.

R: Plus, [I] really do not know what is going to happen to Santa Fe. It is still operating
 in all these little bits and pieces, and so on and so forth.

P: But were you bestirred by the challenge?

R: Yes. So I go back and have another talk with Joe, a long talk.

P: Mary did not convince you totally.



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