R: That is right. I remember Harry Philpott coming from a meeting between Governor
 Burns and Wayne [Reitz] and himself, and he was white. He was white. I remember
 him saying that he did not think he wanted to stay in Florida. It was shortly after
 that, you recall, that he went to Auburn [University].

P: And he is living in Auburn [Alabama] now.

R: Yes. I guess he had a fine career up there.

P: Yes.

R: But, as I say, I do not know what the circumstances were, I just know that there was
 something.

P: Did you get into any hassles at all, as the development officer? Were you personally
 involved in anything?

R: No.

P: No great conflicts that need to be made part of the historical record?

R: No. I really cannot [think of any conflicts]. The only thing I would say is that I felt
 at that period of time that the University needed to have a little more emphasis and
 a little more control on, particularly, the fundraising efforts and the use of the funds
 coming through the alumni association.

P: Were you getting any feedback from alumni and potential donors, and donors as a
 result of the integration? The 1960s saw the integration of the University.

R: No. I never heard that mentioned.

P: By comparison with other universities, the University of Florida was peaceably
 integrated.

R: Yes. Never heard that mentioned.

P: The big hassle in the 1950s of Virgil [D.] Hawkins's attempt to come into the law
 school had been resolved by court order. [Federal District] Judge [Dozier] DeVane
 had said in 1958 that the University would have to integrate, and we accepted our
 first black [George H. Starke Jr.] into the College of Law. Then by 1959, a black
 student [Ester M. Langstan] was enrolled in the College of Medicine, [and by] 1962
 you get the first real undergraduates and the integration of activities including the
 women' dormitories.

R: Yes.


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