P: And Mrs. Durell was in charge.

R: Phyllis Durell.

P: Edith [Patti] Pitts was gone by that time.

R: Yes. She was gone by that time.

P: She had left and was living in Tampa with her sister.

R: Right. And you remember that was the period, too, when the big rile with Governor
 [Haydon] Burns [governor of Florida, 1965-1967] occurred.

P: What was the big rile?

R: I am trying to remember exactly what happened.

P: Was this the conflict over the appointments of the first Board of Regents that Farris
 Bryant [governor of Florida, 1961-1965] made?

R: No, I do not think so, Sam.

P: No, we are talking about Haydon Burns.

R: I think that Haydon wanted to have the president make some appointments. I
 cannot quite remember what it was, but I do know that it was a very difficult time.
 I do remember that I think it had a lot of do with Harry Philpott not waiting a little
 bit longer. It was the expectation he might succeed.

P: I have not caught that. I do know that when the Board of Regents was created by
 the legislature to supersede the Board of Control, there was the question of who
 could appoint the Board of Regents, and they would, of course, have to be approved
 by the Senate.

 In January of 1965, just before he was ready to leave office, Farris Bryant appointed
 a group which included, among others, Marshall [M.] Criser [President of the
 University of Florida, 1985-1989]. They had not yet been approved by the
 legislature, because the legislature was not in session, and then Haydon Burns came
 in as the new governor and refused to accept that Board, and received a Supreme
 Court ruling that they had not really been approved until the legislature approved
 them. He was then able to create a completely new Board.

R: As I say, I do not remember what it was, but there was a major, major hassle. I
 think an awful lot of pressure was being placed on Dr. Reitz about something.

P: This is the one [big event] that I remember in that period of 1965, and you are back
 in Gainesville by then.

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