R: Yes. But even though they were under our office [development control], the control of the alumni association was with a group of elected directors, all of whom had one interest and that was how the football team was doing. There was no emphasis on raising money for the University. P: [There was no emphasis] on the educational part of the University, and the library? R: No. And as you know, for a long time, the alumni association of the University of Florida produced very small numbers. P: How large a staff did you have as development officer? R: I had an assistant, [Arthur I.] Buddy Jacobs [director, Division of Development Services], first. P: From Fernandina. R: Yes. And then George Corrick. P: George lives in Jacksonville. R: I think George may have just retired, in fact. P: He has. R: Right. So there was an assistant and then I think there were one or two clerical [people]. P: Now, who is Buddy Jacobs? R: Buddy Jacobs, you remember, was president of the student body, distinguished law school graduate, and this was Buddy's first job out of law school. P: And he is where today? R: He now has a major practice in Jacksonville, and in Fernandina Beach. P: He lives in Fernandina. R: Yes, in a beautiful, old, restored house. Or has he moved to Amelia Island now? P: No. I guess he still lives in the restored house in Fernandina. R: And he had a lovely wife and two or three nice daughters, I remember. P: And [he was] very much interested in art. 63 -