R: Yes, directly to the president. And, in fact, Wayne retired and [Stephen C.] Steve
 O'Connell [president, University of Florida, 1968-1974] came on while I was still on
 the job. I guess that I worked with Steve for about a year. When did Steve come,
 1967?

P: He first [arrived] in 1967.

R: Well, I was there, then, at least another year, year and a half.

P: You got along well with O'Connell?

R: Yes, but not as well as with Wayne.

P: Why?

R: I do not know. I think part of it was that I wanted more control of the alumni
 association and Steve did not see it that way. He said, "No." You know, he had a
 great relationship with all of those people.

P: Did he take power away from you then when he came in?

R: No.

P: He just was not willing to enlarge it?

R: I think that he did not agree with me. I said, "They are raising $250,000 where it
 was, and it all gets piddled away. We need to have more control." The alumni
 association knew how I felt. They were not too happy about that.

P: Now, by this time, did you have a cordial array of friends, wealthy alumni, in Florida,
 who you could depend upon, or had it not yet come to that point?

R: No, I could not say that. There were a few. There was John [W.] Donahoo in
 Jacksonville.

P: He was connected to the Swisher Cigar people.

R: You could talk to him very straightforwardly and he understood. There was Judge
 English. I think he was a judge in Fort Lauderdale, I forget now. There were a
 number of people like that who did understand the need to [raise funds privately].
 Now, with the alumni association, there was not any hostility, but they sure did not
 want to lose any control, any power, any authority. There was a little friction there.

P: Well, the battle of development control must have come fairly early because the
 alumni association still remains under its jurisdiction.


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