P: Are those under your responsibility too? WRUF?

R: Everything I named to you.

P: Oh, I just thought they happened to have offices there.

R: No. They were all things I [was responsible for], and the alumni association.

P: Well, the alumni association was still part of the foundation. But WRUF?

R: Yes. There were five or six major things which reported to that office, and used up
 a lot of time.

P: I can imagine.

R: And just about that time, there was talk about doing something to establish a real
 museum. And build the [appropriate building].

P: The edifice we are now in?

R: The one that is presently on campus.

P: So that is where you begin your relationship with J. C. [Joshua Clifton] Dickinson
 [director of the Florida State Museum].

R: That is right. And I [was talking] with Dr. Reitz and saying, "This might be
 something that might appeal."

P: You were now advising Reitz?

R: Yes, I said this was something which might really "sell." We would have some very
 attractive lay-outs, etc. I said, "You know, Dr. Reitz, it would be very hard for us
 to go around the state asking for money if we do not first get some money out of
 Gainesville. I am sure that is the first thing someone is going to ask you about."

P: [Other donors ask] "What are the local folk doing?"

R: So I [met] with S. T. Dell and a couple of other people and said, "We want to raise
 $750,000." That was the goal.

P: That was an astronomical amount.

R: Oh, yes it was. I said, "We really think we ought to shoot to raise about a quarter
 of it in Gainesville. I think we ought to have a $200,000 goal for Gainesville." My
 God!

P: Is that what they said?

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