money they raised. The alumni association was raising very little money, and there
 was little or no University influence on what they did and how they did it.

P: Was [Samuel] Ray Graves [head football coach and director of athletics], then,
 running that situation since he was the athletic director?

R: No. Ray was still the coach. He had not become athletic director yet, or was he
 both?

P: He was both.

R: One thing I will say about Ray: to me Ray was as fine an example of what a coach
 ought to be that we have ever had. Ray was cooperative. We got to know him and
 Opal very well. If there were people that we were working with that we wanted to
 maybe [entertain], if they were interested in athletics, Ray and Opal would say, "Fine,
 we will include them in our weekend, whatever we are doing." It had nothing to do
 with whether they were or were not giving to athletics only.

P: Now, had any attempt been made by the University when you come on to the scene
 to find out who the alumni were, who the affluent alumni were? None of that basic
 research had been done?

R: No. I do not think so. In fact, we had an endowment board at that time. That had
 been organized, in other words, they had done that.

P: By Reitz?

R: And I guess Harold [Crosby]. And it was made up of a group of people from around
 the state and a heavy Gainesville contingent.

P: Like Sam T. Dell [Gainesville lawyer]?

R: Yes, people like that. But nothing really had happened, as you read. You know, the
 real commitment of people in those positions is to give themselves and get their
 friends to give. There was nothing, really, that seemed to have happened.

P: So at that point, the University did not know where the money was, and who the
 potential donors were.

R: No.

P: Was that your major responsibility, then?

R: When I arrived on the scene, now, we had to figure out where we were going to go.
 In the meantime, you understand, I am still worrying about WRUF and the
 University printing operation.


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