do not know where we go." So I talked with Mary, and I said, "You know, this is the
 second time. I am sure Dr. Reitz will never call me again. So we have to make a
 big decision. Do we stay in Fort Myers and see what happens?"

P: Did you actually go physically to Gainesville to talk to Reitz?

R: Yes, I did. I went to Gainesville and visited with him, and we talked about the job
 and he said that he would match my salary. I think I was making $19,000. He said,
 "Here is what I want you to do."

P: What did he want you to do?

R: To take over that office. The main emphasis was to try and get us moving in the
 direction of private support. Sam, it is funny. That office had alumni affairs,
 sponsored research, the printing office, WRUF radio, and two or three other things
 all reporting to it.

P: Where was it?

R: It was in Tigert Hall just around the corner from the president's office. When you
 think about all that, it was quite a set-up.

P: Quite an array. I do not think Crosby had done very much. I do not really think
 it had been a successful two years, had it?

R: I do not think so, to be truthful. There was not much evidence of any outward
 growth.

P: You did not see any endowment or anything when you arrived on the scene. So he
 is asking you to do the same thing he had asked you when he sent Philpott down?

R: That is exactly right.

P: This was to begin planning a program of private funding and alumni relations. We
 had an alumni organization already in place.

R: Yes, and a pretty strong one, but it was raising peanuts, as you know.

P: And it was emphasizing the athletic program.

R: Totally. So I said to Mary, "This is a big decision." And it was tough for us too
 because Barbara was going into her junior year in high school, a tough time to make
 a move. For Doug and Nancy it did not really matter, but for Barb it was tough.
 But then we decided, okay, this is probably the career decision, and we decided to
 come back to Gainesville.

P: Now, let us see. How old were you?

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