R: John Webb was a professor of economics and, at that time, he ran the Bureau of
 Business and Economic Research.

P: And was this a social relationship, or was it a professional relationship?

R: Well, it was both. I took courses from him that year, and he lived out in Melrose
 [Florida]. He was really a country squire type of person, a kind of renaissance man.

P: But a really distinguished scholar.

R: As I say, he was one of the people who impressed me most during my entire career.

P: Talk to me a little bit about John Webb, because he has been almost lost to
 University of Florida history.

R: Well, that is a shame because he was a marvelous teacher, I mean, really an exciting
 teacher. He was interested in the students, very interested in his students. He ran
 the Bureau when the Bureau was on a shoestring. He produced lots of good things.
 I did get involved with some of the things he was doing in the Bureau at that time.
 He would invite you out to his home.

 Mary and I visited him out in Melrose a number of times; [he was] just a fascinating
 person. He was a Columbia [University] Ph.D., a real scholar. Later on, he had a
 grant to have workshops, seminars, around the state of Florida on where Florida was
 going. I had gone back to Fort Myers when this all happened. He called me to help
 organize the people from southwest Florida who should participate in the seminar
 about south Florida which was going to be held in Fort Lauderdale [Florida]. I had
 the pleasure of inviting Harry Fagan and other leaders over here to go to that
 program that he ran.

P: Of course, Florida was beginning to boom at this time. LeRoy Collins is now the
 governor [1955-1961]. [There was] growth everywhere.

R: Yes. Growth [took place] everywhere. And that was a marvelous experience. I
 think somewhere in here there is something about that. John Webb, to me, was the
 epitome of what a professor should be, a gentleman to his fingertips. He always just
 said, "I am Mr. Webb." He was just a marvelous, very interesting person.

P: Tell me a little bit more about Clem Donovan. He is another one who played a
 major role at the University and who might get lost.

R: Clement [Harold] Donovan [got his Ph.D. in North Carolina].

P: He just died a few months ago.

R: Yes. It was sad. Clem was a loner, as you know, kept to himself very much. But
 he also was a very considerate and gracious guy, once you got to know him. He was

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