P: The reason I ask you that is because of the fact that he invited you back, and I was
 wondering whether the relationship began during this period.

R: Well, it did begin a little then, but I think that there had developed during that
 period of time, a very close relationship between the Reitzes and the Richardsons,
 because of Caroline's interest in music and the arts, which were Mrs. Reitz's interests
 too.

P: And Mrs. Reitz's interest in music particularly.

R: Jim [Richardson], I think, had become well known to Dr. Reitz. I had met the
 Reitzes a number of times socially so that he did know me, but I could not say at
 that point we were what one would call friends.

P: Of course, by the time you are back in Gainesville, the battle for the medical school
 had also been won.

R: Yes. That had been won.

P: And the medical school was in Gainesville.

R: Yes.

P: And Senator Shands was off the scene.

R: Yes. I do remember during that time I was back for that year working for Don
 Hart, that I had a chance to go over and meet Dean [George T.] Harrell [dean of
 the College of Medicine] and visit with a number of people in the med school and
 talk about the history of it, and so on.

P: And, of course, Ralph [Turlington] has moved on now. He is in Tallahassee.

R: In fact, was Ralph speaker those couple of years? When was Ralph speaker [of the
 State House of Representatives]?

P: A little later on [in 1967], I think, Ralph becomes the speaker, but he is already
 playing a very influential role, not only in Alachua County, but statewide.

R: And, of course, I renewed my friendship with Ralph. Among other things, [I] had
 my insurance there. But I guess what I remember most during that period of time
 was that I got to know John [Nye] Webb [professor of economics] very well in that
 year.

P: Who was John Webb?



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