P: I will ask you about those in just a minute. Let us go back to Gainesville now.
 When you come from Savannah to Gainesville and you become Millican's successor,
 what were your responsibilities as assistant to the dean?

R: I am trying to remember. I guess I spent a lot of my time advising students. The
 hardest thing, Sam, was I had the job of making up faculty loads and faculty
 assignments. Of course, we all know faculty.

P: Be a fall guy.

R: Someone had to teach a class at eight in the morning, someone had to teach a class
 at three in the afternoon, someone had to teach the extra section, and, of course,
 everybody had their favorites. Of course, the higher ranking the faculty member, the
 more difficult it was for a young squirt like me to say, "No, this is what you have to
 do, because there is no one else left to do it." I do not mean that it was ugly, but
 that is when I had to use all the diplomacy I could muster. That was the single most
 difficult thing, getting everybody [in line]. Of course, you work with the departments
 in that.

P: Did you already have the new building?

R: Yes. Not this new, new one, but we were in a recent addition. Is that what they
 had, because we were in a relatively new building.

P: You were in the building that the dean's office is in now.

R: That is right.

P: Which was then a new building. And you had an office in that building.

R: In the dean's suite. John [Berry] McFerrin [director of graduate studies, professor
 of business organization and operation] was in there, he was the associate dean, and
 Don Hart was the dean, and I was in the middle. I worked with the dean on the
 budget.

P: So you really were an administrative person.

R: Yes. Principally. I did no teaching at all.

P: I was going to ask you if you did any teaching. You never did finish that Ph.D. that
 you started. Did you finish it?

R: That is a long story which we will get to later. While I was there, Sam, the one thing
 I did do was finish the last couple of class requirements for the Ph.D. You know,
 I had that year off.

P: I remember you took that year. Well, you had the fellowship.

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