R: Yes. The other things [I worked on] were a couple of projects that involved getting federal money, and I went to Washington a number of times and helped prepare [them]. P: Fort Myers was really out of the way. All you had was U. S. [Route] 19 getting down, was it not? R: U. S. [Route] 41. P: I mean U. S. 41, which was a narrow, crowded road. R: The other alternative was to come all the way down [U. S. Route] 27, turn off at Palmdale [Glades County] and come through La Belle [Hendry County] and over on [State Route] 80. P: Which was also not an easy way to travel. R: No. It was a long way to come. P: If you got to Fort Myers then, it is because you wanted to get to Fort Myers. It just did not happen. You were here three years? R: Three years. P: And during that time, your job always was with the chamber. R: That is right. P: Why did you leave? R: This was not a big town, it did not have a big budget at the chamber, and so the raises were very modest even though I was doing a fine job and all that. I thought, I have really got to see if I cannot [improve my income, what with] three children, you know. So I decided I would go into the private sector, totally private sector, and responded to an advertisement in the Wall Street Journal from the Ryder System. P: This is Ryder [Transportation]? R: Yes. And they invited me to Jacksonville for an interview. P: What is the Ryder System? R: That is [a firm engaged in] truck leasing. But the leasing to individuals is a small part of it. They really lease fleets of trucks, to businesses, on the theory that it is cheaper in the end to lease the truck and the service rather than to buy all those -32-