have, and run a slate of candidates. We never won, but we really scared them to death, and rumor has it that when I graduated, the "Greeks" had a big party. P: What kind of a social life did you leave there? That is where you met Mary. R: Yes. Well, as I say, living at the house (I think it was the old Kappa Sigma house, as a matter of fact) was a very good start. I made good friends and played cards and all that sort of thing. A lot of us went to church together. Of course, one met a lot of nice people there. Plus Stephens College was in Columbia. P: That was a very fine girls' school. R: Hundreds of girls. And I wound up being selected for what they call the Burrall Cabinet. I do not know what the name came [from]; it has something to do with some gift they got to bring the two schools together. They would always pick a group of young men from the university to serve on the Burrall Cabinet over at Stephens. P: So you were the bridge between the two schools? R: You know, I am still vague about what the function was supposed to be. P: Now, Missouri was co-educational. R: Oh, yes. Missouri was fully co-ed. There was another women's school too, by the way, Christian College, so there were a lot [of girls there]. P: So you went there because of the reputation of the school, but it sounds to me like it had other attractions. R: Columbia was a great college town. It reminds me so much of Gainesville. P: You were graduated in 1948, so you were only there two years and you finished all of your undergraduate work? R: Yes, but it was a little over two years, 1946 and 1947 and one semester in 1948. P: So you moved pretty rapidly. You went to summer school? R: All the veterans did. You know, we were all anxious to get out so we just really [worked]. P: When you graduated in 1948, what was your degree in? R: Public administration. P: And was it a B.A. or a B.S.? 14-