P: Just after Japan surrendered? R: Yes. P: You had enough points by that time to get out? R: Yes. P: Where were you at the end of the war? R: Well, when I finished my tour in New Guinea, I had been there fifteen months. I got there in the summer of 1943, I came home in the fall of 1944, and I was sent to Tucson, Arizona to train navigators. P: So when you returned from New Guinea you are stationed in the U.S.? R: In Tucson, and stayed in Tucson until I was discharged. P: You leave service now. You come back to Pittsburgh? R: Yes. P: And? R: Well, I am ready now to go back to school, but all during the time I was in New Guinea I thought about what I wanted to do. I studied and read, and I decided I wanted to be a journalist. P: Yes. I thought that was an interesting switch from engineering to journalism. R: I tried to find out, when I came back, where the best schools of journalism were. With everything that I could find out, three names kept surfacing. Columbia [University] in New York, the Medill School of Journalism at Northwestern [University], and the University of Missouri. P: Yes. I think that was and is [the best]. R: So when I got home, I wrote [to] all three of them. Columbia invited me to come to New York to visit, and I did that. I had some friends in New York that had been discharged when I was, so I had some people to visit. And I went and did all the things Columbia asked me to do, and they said, "Okay, we will admit you, but not until next September. We have such a backlog." Well, I had just been out of school now for over four years and I did not want another year, so I said, "Well, thank you." Then I wrote to Northwestern, second choice, and they wrote back and said, "Unless you can tell us in advance you have a place to live, we cannot accept you because 10-