P: And joining up?

R: And joining up up there, because we were very concerned about the future of
 England. My parents, though, really did not want we to do that. [They said]
 "Probably a time will come when you need to go anyway."

P: What about your brother? What was his name?

R: His name was Arthur, Art.

P: Full name was Arthur?

R: His full name was Arthur Dale Robertson.

P: And what is there, three, four, or five years [difference]?

R: Four years difference.

P: Was there a close relationship between you and your brother or was the four year
 [spread] a big difference?

R: Well, the four years was a big difference. Certainly, we did not have any problems,
 but we did not buddy around. My group was considerably older than his group.

P: Where is he now?

R: He is in Little Rock, Arkansas.

P: What does he do?

R: He is retired now. I went to the University of Missouri after the war (we will get
 to that later) but he came out to Missouri to go to school, and lived in the same
 house that we did. [We were] a group of veterans [who] got together and rented
 an old fraternity house from the University of Missouri and got ourselves a house
 mother and lived there. Anyway, he came out there and went to school there, and
 then he went to Little Rock and has been there until he retired.

P: And what business did you say he was in?

R: For most of his career he was in the advertising business, and then later on he got
 involved with politics in Little Rock and worked on Winthrop Rockefeller's
 campaign. When Winthrop was elected governor, he went on Winthrop Rockefeller's
 staff [Governor of Arkansas, 1967-1971].

P: I see. Now, [in] 1939, you graduate [from] high school. You go to Carnegie for one
 year. That takes you through 1940.

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