R: Yes. He was a Presbyterian, but he became a Catholic when he married my mother.
 So I was raised as a Catholic.

P: And you went to Catholic elementary school, but what about high school?

R: No, I went to public high school.

P: And when were you graduated from high school?

R: In 1939.

P: Just on the eve of the war.

R: That is right. Then I went to Carnegie Tech for a year, but the commuting was so
 difficult.

P: Where is Carnegie Tech?

R: It is in Oakland.

P: Where you were living?

R: No. We lived in Homestead, so it was a long commute to Oakland. Oakland was
 just almost part of Pittsburgh, and the University of Pittsburgh was there, the
 Cathedral of learning, etc., and Carnegie Tech was there.

P: Now what kind of a school was Carnegie Tech?

R: Well, it was, at that time, one of the premier engineering schools in the country and
 I thought I wanted to be an engineer.

P: What is the title, what is the name of the school?

R: Carnegie-Mellon [University]. It was very difficult to get into Carnegie Tech, and
 we had to go to Tech and take their entrance exams. I remember sitting in the
 gymnasium with literally hundreds of people and taking these tests. I was admitted
 to Tech as a freshman.

P: Why do you think you wanted to be an engineer?

R: I guess it has something to do with my dad, and, while he was not exactly an
 engineer, you know, he was exceptionally skilled, and the idea of a big giant
 manufacturing operations was all around us, and that sort of thing. But the
 commuting was just [awful]. I had to transfer two or three times. So after the first
 year I said, "Well, I am going to work and save some money." Of course, by that
 time, the war had started in Europe, as we know, and I even thought once or twice
 about maybe going up to Canada.

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