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 S: Well, we, .right now we're involved in some of the civic programs.

 We're members of the Lumbee Businessman's Organization which was

 recently started and I find that that is one of things we're more

 interested in trying to gt it established. And, for recreation

 why right now we're only taking off a day every two weeks and going

 deep sea fishing this time of the year.

I: That's a good thing to do, but uh, you just take a day off. Doesn't

 it work you day and night all this tremendous business you have here.

S: Well, we've got it pretty well arranged. It's made up of. more or

 less. a family affair and got son-in-laws and children, brother-in-

 laws and different ones around to help look after it and it's not as

 bad as people might think because we do have good help, we have honest

 help and that's the main thing because by sticking with their family

 people in the shopping center we don't have to worry about too much

 maybe getting gone. and so that gives us some relaxation where

 we can take off some time and not have to be around all the time.

I: Well that's good when you have somebody you trust and you have your,

 your wife elps too?

S: Only part time. She comes out and helps maybe in the afternoon when

 tde original help for the day has made their number of hours and she

 fills in until we're about ready to close cause beirng-out in the country

 it's hard to set hours opening and closing. The people wants to run

 in here after they get off work. Well, the people that we have hired

 here to work why they feel that when the other people get off work,

 why they're ready to go home too so we have to let them go. And that's

 when me and her takes over from about 5 o'clock to 7 o'clock in the

 afternoon.