LUM 66A Bridges -23i- S: been easy prey. And right now I believe Russia could whip us easy. I: That's certainly an interesting thought. Now I believe Andrew Jackson said, "Speak softly and carry a big steak," too, didn't he? He's another one who advocated strong forces. S: Yeah. I: How about the war in Vietnam? It's over now supposedly. S: Supposed to be, but I don't know. Things are pretty hot over there. See, neither side wants to give in, and the communists, see, they got plenty of time. The first weeks of negotiations, I believe, was on what kind of table they were going to use in the negotiations. So a communist, see they know they're spreading. And so they really got the advantage, and they're not scared I don't guess. I: Well, do you think we made a mistake to get in that war in Asia? S: No, I believe if you want to help somebody that you should help him. And see, I'm not a communist but if somebody wants to start a new religion or something, let them. Don't try to stop them. Just let them do what they want to do and you do what they) want to do. But now when they get to pushing around little guys-- little countries and you're friendly with the little country. And he helped--that country's asked you to help and you know you could, you should help them because each country should have the right to decide for their own self what kind of government they want and all this. Don't want to have another Hitler. I: Uh huh. Well, now Gary is good at drawing things and doing cartoon work. Have you ever tried your hand at that? S: Well, I guess I--the most things I ever draw is cars and trucks,