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 happen, as much as I would like to see Claude Kirk re-elected and what have
 you. The Demo-Kirks are not there anymore, and the numbers do not add up.
 So, I personally in my mind knew that was the end of the administration. In fact, I
 already positioned myself, because I knew it would be over, to go back to private
 business.

B: Some people have suggested that the Manatee County situation came about
 because of a clash of egos between Judge Krentzmen and Governor Kirk.
 Would you agree with that assessment?

H: I do not think I would. I think both of them had big egos, but I think both of them
 had a job to do. They both did their job in the way that they thought was the best
 way to handle it. Claude Kirk did not have the law on his side at that point, so he
 had to be dramatic and different and chose to be tough. I can understand why a
 judge would do everything he did to us. You know, you are looking at two
 philosophical sides of something. Even if Krentzmen did not necessarily
 personally believe in forced bussing, that was basically the law of the land at that
 point, and it was happening everywhere. I think he would have looked at it from a
 standpoint of what the previous legal decisions were. I am sure he did not want
 to take the position he knew would get overturned. So, he did what he thought
 was right with the court, and Claude Kirk did what he thought was right for the
 people.

B: Other people have suggested that they felt that Governor Kirk's involvement in
 the Manatee situation was perhaps unduly influenced by certain aggressive
 members in his circle of advisors. Would you agree with that assessment?

H: No, I do not think I would agree with that. I think the governor just looked at the
 particular situation. I do not know of anybody in our administration who was really
 from Manatee County. Not an aide whom I can think of was from Manatee
 County, at that point, and most of the legislators from Manatee County were
 Democrat. I think he felt like that was what the people wanted him to do, and he
 did it. I did not see the Manatee County legislators really fighting it. In fact, I
 would say almost all of them were really on his side. They certainly did not try to
 overturn him, and the senators, Ralph Haben and all those, could have easily
 turned around and vetoed his decision.

B: There is a certain characteristic that has been imparted to Governor Kirk. He is
 called the "Politician of Confrontation." You do not see any influence on his aides
 in fostering that sort of mentality?

H: I was there with him for four years, and I know he gets adamant about his views,
 but I have never really seen him where I really thought that he was just [there] for
 PR sake. He was dang good at manipulating his position at times, but I think he
 certainly felt strongly about them. I think his nature as an old Marine was to hit