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 a hotel that evening? Do you recall that?

H: I do not recall. I could have [been].

B: And then on to the next day for the hearing in Tampa.

H: Yes. We appeared the next day about 2:00. I do not remember where I spent the
 night that night.

B: What were your impressions of the hearing?

H: Very intense, again, and I felt like I was going to jail because I did not think
 Judge Krentzmen was going to back off, even though I tried to explain to him that
 the rules were if the Senate wanted to override the governor's decision, they
 could, and they did not choose to do that. So I felt like that I was following the
 proper rules by controlling the school, in lieu of the board controlling it. I tried to
 explain to the judge that I had more to lose than anybody that I could think of in
 the staff, that I had built a long reputation being involved in law enforcement and
 being a national defense executive reservist and being on the state civil defense
 board and all kinds of other boards, on the board of the Red Cross there in
 Tallahassee and several other boards. He did not find any sympathy with that
 either. He just kept saying, are you going to obey my order, or do you go to jail?
 As I said, with tears in my eyes, I finally said, I am sorry but I will have to obey
 the governor.

B: And so what were your impressions of Judge Krentzmen, overall?

H: I thought he was a good judge. He was doing his job, and I did not have any
 animosity towards him. The two federal United States attorneys were really sharp
 guys, nice guys. I did not have any problem with their part, and I had no problem
 with the federal marshals whatsoever, as far as from a personal standpoint. We
 were all just trying to do our jobs. If I had been on the other side, I would have
 been just as tenacious on that side. It takes a lot of guts for a police officer
 sometimes to stand up to certain situations. Like I said, I had been involved in
 law enforcement for quite a while. I guess that is where I drew my strength to
 stand up and face it. It was not easy.

B: Some people have commented that they felt that Judge Krentzmen politicized
 the entire issue. Would you agree with that assessment?

H: I did not take it that way. I just felt like he had equal right to defend his position,
 having issued the order, the same way the governor had to carry out his actions
 to go against the order. Again, like I said, I was kind of new being involved in
 politics at that point. I have been in quite a bit since that, but I have always felt
 like there are two sides to everything. I can understand Krentzmen. That was the