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B: Improvisational.

H: Right. It was not easy.

B: Did you have any interaction with the press?

H: No. I tried to avoid the press as much as possible. I tried to keep it as low-key as
 I could. Of course, when the governor showed up, the press was there. It is like
 my picture with Weitzenfeld and us kind of whispering to each other, it was all
 over the country. I got copies from New York and Alaska and Hawaii. We talked
 among ourselves, of course, but I tried to avoid the press. I did not want to stir
 that anymore than we had to. But of course, when the governor came, they are
 not looking for me like they are looking for him, for press coverage.

B: Do you think that was the right thing to do, or, in view of how the press treated
 your behavior, do you wish that you had interacted with them more?

H: I really did not feel like at that point that the governor's aides should be
 interjecting themselves into it. I felt like it was the governor's show, it was the
 governor's plan, it was the governor's wishes, and it should be the governor who
 explained his programs. He could allow any one of the educational aides, Bill
 Maloy or Gerry Mager as his legal aide to explain his position, but I did not want
 other aides who were there with me who might misinterpret and make
 statements that were not what the governor wanted. So, I really tried to avoid the
 press as much as possible.

B: Can you sort of get into the dynamics between you and the other aides who were
 in that office? I understand it was you, Maloy, Warner and Hoffman?

H: Yes. Most of the stuff, when it came to the federal marshals, I felt like it was
 basically myself and Robert Hoffman. Warner was kind of in and out. He handed
 the lieutenant governor's stuff a lot and the scheduling for the governor, and so
 he was in and out and gone, as I remember it. Bill Maloy, of course, was there
 every time the governor was present. I cannot remember exactly how long he
 stayed through the whole week. My philosophy was that Bill would handle the
 educational people's contact there, and my job was the handle the federal
 marshals and our aides. So I did very little talking to the local officials, except the
 sheriff.

B: Were you all sort of unified in your stance with the governor?

H: Yes. We all said we would stick. Like I said, the only two that Krentzmen seemed
 to take on was myself and Hoffman, and we both said no, we would not follow
 his orders, that we would follow the governor's, and we both had a lot to lose by
 saying that at the time.