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C: No. I went to Doctor Pate's open house the other day and Dr. Pate
 says, "I've been hearing a story about you and I want to know if
 it's true." I said, "Probably." He said, "What about the frying
 pans?" Well, when we moved and were waiting to build this house,
 we moved to an upstairs apartment house on Hawry Avenue, the
 Waldorf Apartments. I didn't know what to do with the grease in
 the frying pan. I stopped up the sink by pouring it down the sink
 and the landlord would get upset. So every Monday morning, I'd go
 to the ten cents store and buy seven frying pans for ten cents a
 piece. And I filled up, what we called in those days, slopholes.
 And every morning, I'd throw my frying pan out. Ruby Woodbury,
 who lived under us, came up one day and said, "Red, did you know
 that our slophole is full of frying pans?" And I said, "Yes, I
 do. I put them there." So that has followed me through life and
 Dr. Pate has just heard it and he said, "I want to hear you tell
 it." So I told it to him at that party the other night. That was
 about two weeks ago. Every place I go, that frying pan story
 comes up. So you'll hear it the rest of your life, too.

J: What did you think when you were doing those things? That was just
 a normal thing to do?

C: That was the kind of person I was. Most of my friends wanted to
 do what their friends were doing. Well, I wanted to be a little
 different. I guess. I don't think I was conscious of it. When
 so-and-so had her hair cut and curled one way, I did just the op-
 posite. Everybody else stayed in the kitchen and cooked; I didn't
 want to stay in the kitchen and cook. So I didn't. But I did
 lots of funny things like that I guess.

J: Where would you all eat out?

C: Well, boarding houses started opening up and there was a place
 called the Oaks. It's on the corner of Clara and Rich, and an
 awfully nice lady ran it. We paid fifty cents for our dinner.
 We'd have soup and salad and we saw people we knew there. Lots of
 people started doing it at that time. We got a good three course
 meal. There weren't many hamburger joints, you know.

J: Did Austin ever delegate the authority of running the business, or
 the Bond Lumber Company, to someone else?

C: Never. Never gave up any of it. That was one of his, I think,
 one of the reasons he worked so hard. Even after he took in Bill
 Duff and Jim Getser, he still oversaw the whole procedure. Bill
 has told me that.

J: Real estate, insurance, and lumber.

C: Every bit of it. He really didn't have much to do, when they formed
 the real estate. They needed a third man. Mr. Douglas and Cousin
 Ray formed the real estate, built all those buildings downtown.