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C: No, I'm talking about domestic for Papa and Connie (Corbin, who
 married Paul Johnston in 1922).

J: That was not for the shop then?

C: No, he had white help down there. In those days colored people
 just really didn't have any rights. Out at the railroad station
 there was a colored waiting room, a colored bathroom, and a white
 waiting room, a white bathroom. There's what we called a Jim Crow
 coach on the end of the train. The colored people sat back there.
 I remember when they did away with the Jim Crow coaches. We used
 to say to people who'd get too brown at the beach that they would
 have to sit in the Jim Crow car.

J: How many people did Papa have working for him?

C: Oh, I don't think too many. He had a linotype operator, and the
 bindery woman, and a press feeder. Probably four or five. Then
 as soon as Paul went in, Paul and Papa were in the front office.
 Paul was in what we called the entrance, where the books were
 kept. Papa had the private office and off of it was a little
 bathroom.

J: Would he go out and make his own business? Or go out and try and
 sell jobs?

C: Since I've been talking to you about this, I wonder if a lot of
 this Jacksonville business wasn't thrown to him from E.O.
 Painter, who lived in Jacksonville. I imagine that the whiskey
 contracts that he got and the religious ones and any of the big
 deals that he got (may have come through him). He did every bit
 of Stetson printing. But I think maybe E.O. Painter threw a lot
 of it down here because he was still interested in it up until a
 certain time.

J: Now in the 1920's, E.O. Painter Printing Company published the
 Supreme Court Records of Florida. Would you think that Painter's
 connection there would have made a difference?

C: No. I think Papa probably did that. I tell you who probably did
 it. Some of the influential people here. I don't know who our
 senator was then.Murray Sams was some kind of politician (Florida
 House of Representatives, Volusia County 1918-1923). Uncle Jim
 Perkins was a state road commissioner, but that was late in his
 life. Papa went to Tallahassee every now and then. He'd be gone
 a week when he went to Tallahassee; it seemed to take forever to
 get to Tallahassee.

 J: Did he ever take you?

 C: No. In fact, I was well grown before I went to Tallahassee. I
 haven't been too many times now. Dorothy Conrad Simpson lives in
 Monticella, and when Leroy Collins was governor, he was their best