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J: Now you said earlier that your mother was a housewife and it seems
 that she was a very prolific photographer and being involved with
 you in North Carolina, and making trips with you.

C: Well, she was an ambitious person. I really think that she be-
 lieved Paul would be the president of the United States someday,
 and that I would be the first lady. That's why we have all these
 pictures. When we were first born, she took a picture every week
 so that when the time came, whe would have our pictures as
 children. But she really thought we were going to be something.
 They were married ten years before they had any children, and I
 guess we were two pretty spoiled children.

J: What did Painter Printing look like from the outside?

C: It was an old brick building. I think it was sandstone brick.
 They used to make sandstone brick. The Bond Lumber Company did
 that at Lake Helen. Many of the buildings in DeLand are made of
 them. Austin Conrad never had much faith in them. He said they
 put more sand in them than they should, and he wondered if they
 would someday crumble. But everybody bought brick from there, and
 I was pretty sure that was Bond Lumber Company brick used at
 Painter Printing. I'm also sure the lumber in this house was
 hand-picked by Austin. The floors are made of inch pine knotting.
 The closer you get to the heart of the pine, the harder the wood.
 Our gloors are all hand-picked and laid in a pattern, and it's
 too bad that we've put wall-to-wall carpeting on. But it was just
 impossible to keep pine floors polished and looking good. When we
 first moved up here, we had two nine-by-twelve rugs in there and
 the rest of it was bare. We just couldn't keep the floors shined.
 We finally came to putting in the wall-to-wall carpeting.

J: So was the plant landscaped?

C: Oh no! It was a hole. Nothing would grow down there. I was
 speaking of that coal business. I believe Papa started making
 food money off that coal deal. That train would come in on that
 siding and would stay there until they got it all unloaded into a
 pen. I remember they sold to the hospital and to Stetson
 University. Then Stetson started putting in oil and coal bit, but
 it was not good coal. It was soft coal and it would smoke. I can
 remember seeing the black smoke coming out of the chimneys up at
 Stetson and the hospital. And by the way, down at the printing
 office I remember Papa used to have to get up if he didn't have
 someone else to do it and go down to start some kind of a fire
 to melt the lead. I can remember him leaving early some morn-
 ings because so-and-so... Usually they had a person do that, but
 you couldn't depend on them. Do they still melt that lead at the
 printing company?

J: Yes. They've got an electric melting pot today.