17 she started ordering from Bess, but Bess was not that expensive. J: Did it take quite a while to get the jacket in? Were you anti- cipating it for a while? C: We picked it out in the catalog and it probably came along in September. The mails were coming through pretty, oh, of course, not like they do now. We had three or four trains a day going south, and three or four trains a day going north at that time. But eighty-five was a big train that the passengers came in. It got here around five o'clock at night. I don't know when it left New York. Now DeLand is the only station the train stops. You can't get off at Daytona. You can get off at Sanford. But any- body that wants to go to Daytona, and the hotels over there when you go out to meet the trains, the hotels send their buses over to pick up the people that are going to stay at their hotels. J: You said that towards the end the College Arms Hotel... C: Well, during World War II, I guess, the Navy took it over. It was getting where people did not want to come and stay a whole season. They would have cars and they would go from DeLand to Miami, and back, and stay three or four days like they do now. But in those olden days, they spent the entire three or four months here. They just couldn't keep it going, and so it was sold to the Navy. Oh my, that was quite a gay time. They were all at the golf club and by then we were all members of the College Arms Golf Course, it was called. We met all the important people that stayed up there. J: When do you recall it being torn down? C: They tore it down when Bert Fish bought it and gave it for the hospital. I don't know exactly when that happened, but I know that he gave the land, no, his brother, Ben Fish, gave the land. Bert Fish built the hospital building. And it was called Fish Memorial Hospital. J: There's some letters that you have that are written by your papa to you when you were in Mentone, Alabama. C: Oh, Mentone Springs. Rachel Steven's sister was the hostess up there, and I was always having malaria. The one idea was to get me out of Florida in the summer. I remember she went with me as my chaperone. I stayed a month in Mentone Springs. J: Did that happen for only one year? C: Just that one summer, and I don't think I stayed but a month. J: Paul didn't go with you? C: No, I guess I was eighteen years old the year I was up there.