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J: So the business was about four blocks away from the home?

C: At least.

J: That's Michigan to Wisconsin Avenues.

C: No. Michigan's where the new house was. We were on south Boule-
 vard at that time. Then after we moved to Michigan, he cut through
 some neighbor's yard. The Rose's let him walk through, and then he
 crossed under a railroad trestle. That was the little line that
 came in from DeLand junction to DeLand. He went under that trestle
 right to the E.O. Painter Printing Company which was down in a hole.
 Then towards the end, they got to making some money, and he needed
 coal to keep his place, and he had a carload of coal delivered.
 And Stetson University, and Bert Fish, and the Abstract Company
 downtown all depended on him for their coal supply. Then as time
 went on, he turned that over to his son Paul. Paul used to get
 his friends and they would go down and fill the truck with coal and
 deliver it.

J: So the coal came in by rail?

C: That came in by rail. There was a short rail near the Painter
 Printing Company. It's still there; you can see it.

J: Right. So when did you move from south Boulevard to Michigan
 Avenue?

C: 1906.

J: Could you see the printing office from the Michigan home?

C: No, because of the oak trees. Now, on the corner of Michigan is a
 big bank; then there were homes. When we built up on Michigan
 Avenue, on what we called "Quality Hill," our house was the first
 house built there. Then the Fisher house came. Then some people
 named Dody built across the street from us. Then on down Mrs.
 Wideman built a big house, and ran it as a boarding house. All of
 this is right on the edge of the Stetson campus. Now Stetson has
 bought all that property; they bought where our house was, where
 Mr. Osborn's was, where Aunt Jim and Uncle Me Perkins's were, they
 bought all of that. In fact, I understand they would like to con-
 trol Michigan Avenue. Mrs. Buck has died, and sold them her house.
 The two houses on the corner they own. I think the only thing left
 in there is Aunt Gert and Uncle Doc's house. And I understand they
 will negotiate for it.

J: Share with me the first recollections of walking into the printing
 plant where your father worked.

C: Momma would dress Paul and I up every afternoon and we'd hitch up
 Prince to the two-seater Surrey with a fringe on top. And oh,
 that was our big treat. We'd go down to see Papa in the afternoon,
 and it's very vague because I knew it as I grew up, so my first