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W: Who was the governor at that time?

G: Governor at that time was, oh, big man, big man
 one I didn't
W: That's think that even come across

G: Well, you could check on who the governor was. Loj Caldwell.

W: Okay.

G: And, so that's exactly what happened is that Bickle got the Florida Historical

 Society pass some resolutions about the need for preserving a study of our pre-

 historic remains which were fast disappearing and so forth and so on. Caldwell freed

 fifteen thousand dollars of emergency funds, governor's contingency emergency fund,

 to be administered through the Florida Board of Forestry and Parks, and through a

 branch of it, the Florida Park service to start this program. I received a letter

 in Chicago saying my name had been suggested as one who qualified and I might be

 interested in such a position. If so, let them know and what were my minimum salary

 requirements. So this was Bickle working again, cause he had heard my talk here in

 St. Augustine and then suggested my name to the Park Board.

W: Did he know your father, do you think? Or

G: He knew my mother. I mean, his, my mother had been presented of the Florida Federation

 of Garden Clubs and his wife had been the one or two after her and had been supported

 by my mother in gaining that office, but, so, yes, he knew who I was when we met at

 the meeting too.

W: At the meeting.

G: Where to get in touch with me, but that letter was out of the blue. I had had no,

 people didn't telephone around as much as they do now and I had had no previous

 indication that anything was in the works, so I immediately phoned my parents and told

 them about this and said, I don't know what to ask for. The going thing seems to be

 about eighteen hundred. They said, well don't do anything til we talk to Ray Vipman.

 Ray Vipman was at that time the, and still lives here at St. Augustine, was the

 superintendent of the Castillo for the National Park Service and was of, he and his