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G: I was down here and we'll get to that in a minute, but Hale had gone back to re-enter

 the University for his doctorate and Ted Gooder was thereat the time and, MacNeish, I'm

 not sure, but anyway there were quite a few of that crowd, that six or eight of them

 at one time just picked up and walked over to

W: And Stu never made it back.

G: Stu never made it back.

W: He went to work with what, Ford over in Louisiana?

G: Yeah.

W: He stayed?

G: He stayed and course, Stu's own stories were that Dr. Redfield told him that he didn't

 think he could be an anthropologist and Stu would say, I'm going to be an anthropologist

 Dr. Redfield, and I guess perhaps he wouldn't have gone back there, had he gone back,

 but, Stu was a great, great figure. So they were shooting people out all over the

 landscape from Chicago before the war and of course immediately after the war, which

 was about the time I finished my master's. I began looking for a job.

W: Okay, this was when, around...?

G: 1946.

W: What did you do your master's? you did a thesis I assume?

G: Yeah, I did a thesis on the Fisher site in northern Illinois. It's an upper Mississippi

 site at the confluence of the Des Plaines and the Kankakee rivers and there was a

 Fisher focus in the literature. So I, actually the excavations had been done over a

 period of years passed, largely by a very fine amateur named George Langford who was,

 ran a foundry company of some sort in Joliet and held a hundred or so patents, was a

 very unusual person. He had lost an arm early, but this didn't keep him from digging

 his sites with one hand and a shovel.

W: Slowed him down to where he could take time to record material?

G: And meticulous, meticulous, beautiful field notebooks. And for the period, considering

 the fact that nobody had taught him anything, he was keeping very good records. He was