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G: Michigan was growing, but I guess they had a doctoral program then, but it wasn't

 nearly as big as later. New Mexico was stronger than Arizona at that time, but still,

 primarily, was training people about the master's level. We were, in Chicago, we receive

 received an awful lot of New Mexico students for the doctoral program. Beloit and

 New Mexico seemed to be two of the major feeding institutions at that time. Arizona

 really developed later to its position of far overriding New Mexico in the field and

 of course, most of the development as we know, was post-war burst. In..Lthe south at the

 time, some work at Tulane, I guess a little bit at North Carolina. Tennessee of course,

 early, about the earliest it had some of the courses at least taught. Madeliene Nebur

 and Tom Lewis, particularly Madeleine, who went down there, Dr. Cole was one of the

 people who was called to testify at the Dayton trial but didn't get to testify because

 tres-p?-beeasethey were]called, but did at least tell reporters at that time, and

 predict that evolution would be taught in Tennessee within several years and then he

 sent Madeleine down to the University of Tennessee.

W: Yeah, it's hard to believe, but then again, just looking back on it, Arkansas, was

 it last year?

G: Well, and take Dr. Bellamy at FSU. In sociology, but also taught a little bit of

 anthropology. He was heavily under the gun in part of that era for his teaching of

 evolution and other horrible things.

W: Well, now they've got a building named after him.

G: Right.

W: Who were some of.your classmates there at Chicago?

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W: I mean, you've already listed a who's who as far as most anthropologists are concerned

 that were on the faculty.

G: Let's see. Elmon Service, Harry Basehart, Bill Lesa, I'm thinking of known archeologists

 first. There's just a whole slew of them in the cultural anthropological field, and then

 closer at hand, Scotty MacNeish, Hale Smith, and then coming back, one time or another,

 some of the people who had left and gone out on the relief day archeology with